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Comments on Puzzle #12523: In tight #1
By Ron Jacobson (shmily999)

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Puzzle Description:

My apologies if this has been done before..... A close up of a clock. The number 3, second hand, minute hand and the end of the word quartz

#1: Ron Jacobson (shmily999) on Mar 3, 2011

If you are going to say guessing may be required, perhaps letting us know where and it can be fixed or we can tell you how to solve it would be a good idea. Thank you.
#2: Liz P (lizteach) on Mar 3, 2011 [HINT]
I don't quite understand how to respond to your comment #1, Ron. I don't know how to solve it without guessing or fix it, so I can't really address that. I tried solving it with line logic and color logic and two-way and edge logic, and now I am stuck on the upper half of the puzzle, both the black on the right and the red on the left.

#3: Wombat (wombatilim) on Mar 3, 2011 [HINT]
The missing black squares in rows 19 & 20 after line logic can be placed in columns 26 & 27 with one step ahead (since placing them in 19 & 20 would mean both missing row clues would have to be 2).

The red I got by a sort of "big picture" approach: since the red clues on the left were all single sets, and the red clues on top were all 1s and 2s, I figured it had to be a zig-zag, and from the order, it had to start in the upper left. Is this guessing? This doesn't really fit either edge logic or one-look-ahead, so I will leave that judgement to others.

For the black in the upper right, after getting where line logic will take me, I could use one look ahead to mark R6C26 as blank, since a dot here would cause a contradiction in R3. Similarly, I could find that R5C17 is blank, since that would again cause a contradiction in R3. From here I couldn't see how to proceed logically, though it's certainly possible I've missed something.
#4: Sarah Andrews (sarah) on Mar 4, 2011
clever puzzle. no idea what it was until I read the description. fun to do
#5: Susan Duncan (medic25733) on Mar 4, 2011
Cool idea - can't wait to see up close some other puzzles
#6: Ron Jacobson (shmily999) on Mar 4, 2011
Sorry Liz. Under stress with funding for my programs in jeopardy so I may be losing my job soon. I guess I lashed out without thinking too much. Please forgive me.
#7: Kristen Vognild (kristen) on Mar 4, 2011 [HINT]
The red doesn't work starting in the top right, so yes, it does have to start in the top left. The black I solved first the lower left, then lower right, then upper right.
#8: Liz P (lizteach) on Mar 4, 2011 [HINT]
It's okay, Ron; I just thought it was a strange request that I couldn't really help with. Sorry about your stressful work situation.
#9: Brian Bellis (mootpoint) on Mar 4, 2011 [HINT]
The red wasn't so tough. Wombat's big picture logic worked for me too. The black in the upper right was alot harder for me and I did end up solving by trial and error. One of the 2 in r1 had to go in either c18 or c25. c18 eventually lead to a contradiction.
#10: Brian Bellis (mootpoint) on Mar 4, 2011
Oh...I enjoyed the challenge and so sorry to hear about your job. We are living through some hard economic time but that's all just words until it happens to you. I wish you the best. Good luck Ron.
#11: Ron Jacobson (shmily999) on Mar 4, 2011
Thanks, everyone.
#12: Trish (tryingmysoul) on Mar 4, 2011
It took some guessing, but nothing too major. Solving puzzles is guessing by definition.

Don't ever apologize for, perhaps, repeating another puzzle. You are unique as are your puzzles.

Good Luck!
#13: bugaboo (bugaboo) on Mar 4, 2011
once again i had no idea

i agree with wombat on the logic for rows 19/20

there is 1 step look ahead logic on the black in the upper right area (sort of how moot described)

the "diagonal logic" is always a gray area for me on solvability which is what the red ended up being
#14: Teresa K (fasstar) on Apr 22, 2011 [HINT]
I think that diagonal logic is okay. Even if it means looking several steps ahead, you can still do it in your head easily enough.

Fun solve, Ron.

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