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Comments on Puzzle #38771: Kitchen Gadget #5
By Brian Bellis (mootpoint)

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  quality:   difficulty:   solvability: moderate lookahead  

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#1: Jota (jota) on Jul 21, 2024

This one was hard for me.
#2: Kathy Cain (kathycain) on Jul 21, 2024
Tricky! It sure looks like the gadget.
#3: Wombat (wombatilim) on Jul 21, 2024 [HINT]
No initial LL available.

R20: EL marks C1-7 white.
R19: EL marks C1-7 white.
R18: EL marks C1-7 white.

C20: EL marks R1-7 white.
C19: EL marks R1-7 white.
C18: EL marks R1-7 white. Finally some LL to 13%.

I can make an educated guess where the 5s in R20 and C20 need to go but right now I'm not seeing a way to narrow those down any farther logically.
#4: Alison P Deem (Indigo1) on Jul 21, 2024
Good one!
#5: Norma Dee (norm0908) on Jul 21, 2024
Before I finished the wheel it looked more like something you would cook rather than cook with. (I atarted with a lucky guess)
#6: Kristen Vognild (kristen) on Jul 22, 2024 [SPOILER]
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#7: Web Paint-By-Number Robot (webpbn) on Jul 24, 2024
Found to be solvable with moderate lookahead by dbouldin.
#8: David Bouldin (dbouldin) on Jul 24, 2024
Sorry, didn't track my solve but definitely moderate at most. I might revisit and track if needed?
#9: Michael Eddy (meddy) on Jul 24, 2024
Solved with logic but it was definitely brain-bending in some spots. I think we need better definition around the differences between moderate and deep lookahead; the advanced logic in this seemed way tougher than what's in puzzles typically marked as moderate (though it's possible I may have just missed some easier moves).
#10: Valerie Mates (valerie) on Jul 28, 2024
I found the same things that Wombi found, and I too am stuck at 13%.

Wombatilim, what do you prefer to be called?
#11: Wombat (wombatilim) on Jul 29, 2024
Valerie: Either Wombat or Batti are my preferred, but I'm not too fussed about other ways to shorten my name.
#12: Valerie Mates (valerie) on Jul 29, 2024
Thanks -- good to know!
#13: Bill Eisenmann (Bullet) on Jul 30, 2024 [SPOILER]
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#14: David Bouldin (dbouldin) on Jul 31, 2024 [HINT]
That was more difficult than I remember and I don't think I took the same path, so I probably had a lucky mistake in my first solve. Not sure all of these are necessary, it's just what I did this time. Picks up where Wombat left off and tried to mimic the syntax so it flows naturally for people trying to follow :)

R1: EL marks C16-17 white.
R2: EL marks C16-17 white.
R3: EL marks C16-17 white.
R4: EL marks C16-17 white.
R3: C5 or C10 must be black. Either way marks C15R4 white.
R5: EL marks C16 white.
R2: C3 or C12 must be black. Either way marks C12R3 white.
R1: EL marks C9-11 white (look at R7 for a quick contradiction)
R8: IEL marks C4 white (look at R2 for a quick contradiction)

LL to the end.
#15: Wombat (wombatilim) on Jul 31, 2024 [HINT]
This step here:
"R1: EL marks C9-11 white (look at R7 for a quick contradiction)"

I'm not actually seeing a R7 contradiction here but I *do* see one in R4 in 2 steps. I wouldn't really call this edge logic for that reason but the conclusion is correct.

This one:
"R8: IEL marks C4 white (look at R2 for a quick contradiction)"

I'm not seeing the contradiction here. I *can* eliminate C1-3 with a quick R3 contradiction, just not C4.

It looks like I can get a similar result with a different approach, though:
R2: If the 5 is placed within C9-16, it will complete the 6 in R3, and there won't be enough room for the 3 in R1.

LL solves from there.

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