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By Joe (infrapinklizzard)

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#1: Joe (infrapinklizzard) on Feb 3, 2019 [SPOILER]

You don't need to leave a number if you don't want to. You can just comment on whether this is old or new to you.

I not only remember when these were new but before computers were in homes. There are others who will remember these from childhood (like my daughter). There are now many who only know this as a "save" icon because 3½" floppy drives haven't come in computers for the last 12 years.

I recently came across a YouTube video called "ancient forgotten animal vines to watch when you're depressed af". Vine was a video site that ran from 2012-2016. Now that's a short memory.
#2: Boaty (mcboatface) on Feb 3, 2019
I'm old enough that computers didn't exist in residential homes when I was a kid. My first computer didn't have a hard drive, it had a 5" floppy drive. When I doubled the RAM from 256 KB to 512 Kb I thought I was some kind of computer wizard.
#3: Aurelian Ginkgo (AurelianGinkgo) on Feb 3, 2019 [SPOILER]
I think floppy discs were still being used when I was really young (like three-ish), so I don't really remember them. I do remember that the next type of storage device was new technology, so that is actually why I conclude that it was likely still in use when I was a toddler. What was next? A CD-rom? I remember playing a lot of games that came on CD-roms. This was all in the 90s. Now I just download apps. My, how things have changed.

And to answer the title because I don't mind sharing my age, at this moment in time, I am 28.
#4: Spot (Pspaughtamus) on Feb 3, 2019 [SPOILER]
My high school physics teacher had a TRS-80, it used like a cassette tape. Shortly the truly floppy disks were common, I can remember using DOS on the town library's computer. It had no memory, you had to upload DOS from the disks every time.

I'm 55, btw.
#5: Joe (infrapinklizzard) on Feb 4, 2019 [SPOILER]
A friend of mine had the first "computer" I played with - an Atari 400. It had BASIC, but no storage, so you had to type in the program each time.

The first real computer I used (and learned programming on) was a TRS-80 Model 4P. It had 16K of RAM. We added an aftermarket memory board to double that to 32K, but it was paged, meaning you could still only use 16K at one time. By comparison, the 5-1/4" single-sided floppies it used had a massive 180K of storage!
#6: Glenn Crider (playamonkey) on Feb 4, 2019 [SPOILER]
I had a TRS-80 Color Computer with 16k of memory, later upgraded to 64k. It came with a cassette recorder for storage and I eventually replaced it with 2 5.25 floppy drives.

During this same time I also worked in a computer lab that had both Burroughs and Sperry mainframe computers. The disk drives for those were the size of a washing machine.
#7: Claudia (clau_bolson) on Feb 4, 2019 [SPOILER]
I am 59.
The first "personal" computer I used (and programmed) was a Commodore 64 that came with an external 5 1/4" disc drive. (the 1541).
I bought my first "IBM compatible" in 1989, I was 30. It had two drives: one for 5 1/4" discs and the other for the "new" 3 1/2" discs that at the time only had 720 Kb.
By the way, I work as IT for a telephone and internet company here in Argentina. Our local IRS equivalent ("AFIP") until maybe 5 years ago required that we send our data in floppys.
Also two of our telephone exchanges were old enough to record in floppys. I had to reuse old ones, buy them in a particular store in Buenos Aires (far from here ...) and if the drives broke, finding another ones I had kept that still worked.
Luckily the telephone exchanges have been updated and the AFIP now requires CDs - another species in extinction.
#8: Gary Webster (glwebste) on Feb 4, 2019
I'll be 68 in March. The first hand-held CALCULATORS came into use when I was in college; before that, it was slide rules and good old paper and pencil. I took a BASIC computer language class in college, and learned FORTRAN in grad school. My theoretical Physics project was mostly pen and paper ('70s now), but the numbers were run on cards using an IBM 360 mainframe in the (fairly new) college computer center. We used the first Macintoshes at work for documentation and a little computation, but the hard work was done on a dedicated (I think IBM) mainframe in the secure computer center. I didn't have a home computer until around 1997 or so; we've always had MACS. My wife ran children's learning software on it for her tutoring business.
#9: Susan Eberhardt (susaneber) on Feb 4, 2019
My first job after college was at an insurance company that had a few large computers in their own room. They used punch cards. I had to send instructions with numerical codes. Then my reports came monthly in the form of huge books. It was a nighmare because they only updated my files once a month and the information I needed was always too old. I think I would have liked that job a lot more if there had been desktop computers that updated instantly. Oh well, the people were nice.
Can you guess my age?
#10: Bill Eisenmann (Bullet) on Feb 4, 2019
Bill Gates once famously stated that there was no conceivable need for more than 64k RAM.
#11: Joanne Firla (JoFirla) on Feb 4, 2019
I'll have to be honest. At first glance, I thought this was a hand held camera.

By the time I bought my first computer, I was way late getting into the game. I decided to take some basic lessons at my local library. I figured they had some senior citizen's class that I could join. When I went to inquire, I was told that there were no classes because the senior citizens already knew how to use computers.

You know you are behind the times when the wrong generation passes you by in technology. Lol.
#12: Billie Patterson (bpat) on Feb 4, 2019
I'm 76. I remember when slide rules were the bees' knees for calculating, and the way-less-than-one-MB of memory for a mainframe computer cost more than the house I lived in and was delivered on a big truck and carried in on a dolly.
#13: Norma Dee (norm0908) on Feb 4, 2019
My son bought the first TRS-80 sold by Radio Shack in Tempe. No storage, of course. It came with some unnamed programs you could type in, so he enlisted the aid of a friend who did data entry at a hospital and was a whiz on the keyboard. One program was quite long and they took turns typing it in. When they finished they sat back to reap their rewards only to end up rolling on the floor laughing. They were listening to a high, squeaky version of "The Flight of the Bumblebee."

My first computer was a Color Coco from Radio Shack. It, too, had no storage but you could buy cassettes with games, etc. My daughter was not always too happy because to use it you had to plug it in to the TV.

I remember we were overjoyed when you could download to a tape recorder, then wonder of wonders floppies came in to existence and we thought things could never get better when they came out with double sided floppies.

I'll never forget the frustration though of playing those games that were strictly based on typing in the correct response. Go the wrong way and you would end up in no mans land and have to start all over.
#14: John Macdonald (perlwolf) on Feb 4, 2019
I still have a couple of slide rules, but I threw out my last box of punch cards during the last move - they are bulky and heavy. Transferring a memory stick onto cards would fill a dump truck.

Susan, I feel your former pain - when I was in high school, we only had card punches in our school. If you wanted to run a program, you punched up your card deck and dropped it into a tray. Every Friday a courier came by and picked up the tray, while returning the tray of cards and output listings from the previous week. You learn to check your code very carefully when you only get to run it every two weeks (the courier didn't come during school hours and didn't stay long enough for you to fix a mistake and resubmit your job on the same visit.
#15: Philip (Philip) on Feb 4, 2019 [SPOILER]
I'm 34. I probably still have some floppy disks, but they seemed pretty old to me when I used them. I bought my first computer from a garage sale: a Mac Performa with a CD-ROM, a 3.5" floppy drive, and a TV tuner.
#16: Jota (jota) on Feb 4, 2019
I also took basic programing in College, my first computer was given to me at work in 1980. APPLE ONE. I worked with Lotus 123 (predecessor to Excel). I'm still a Mac girl!
#17: Belita (belita) on Feb 4, 2019
I got my first slide rule in high school and my first calculator in college. I saw my first computer in college when I took FORTRAN and typed up IBM cards to hand to the computer operator. This floppy disc may look like ancient history to you, but not to me. I'm 62.
#18: CB Paul (cbpaul) on Feb 4, 2019
It's so interesting to read everyone's comments.

My first work-study job in college was in the Math Dept, entering data on punch cards. So that's how old I am. The first computer I owned was a Winbook laptop; wonderful thing! It was the size of a briefcase. (Remember those?) I don't remember exactly when I bought it, likely early 1990s. Think X-Files. But before that, I did my work on computers at the office, on a department-wide network.

As for this image, I don't really recognize it.
#19: JoDeen Mozena (ozymoe) on Feb 4, 2019 [SPOILER]
Lol...when I started basic programming we used paper tape and connected to a larger computer at a university 90 miles away by phone. There was a special cradle for it on our computer. I used mostly Fortran then, was also taught about Cobol and Snobol, assembler language and got to play on an old bi-tran-6. I'm 69.
#20: Kristen Vognild (kristen) on Feb 5, 2019 [SPOILER]
Our first computer was a TI 99/4A, which was essentially an electric keyboard that plugged into a television. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_TI-99/4A
If you wanted to use anything that required memory, you inserted a cartridge. I was about 7 when we got it, and my favorite game was a text-based game called Camel. Similar to Oregon Trail (but without the fancy graphics), you had to get your camel to the oasis before you died of thirst.

My school's computer labs were populated with TRS 80s, which we called Trash 80s.

I think the shift from 5 1/4" to 3 1/2" floppy discs occurred when I was in middle school. I'll be 44 in a few weeks.
#21: Valerie Mates (valerie) on Feb 5, 2019 [SPOILER]
I'm 52.

I started programming on punchcards, back in the dark ages of 1980. A few years later, we were able to save programs on cassette tapes. And a few years after that it was 5 1/4 inch floppies, and then after that 3 1/2 inch floppies.

I remember in about 1990 when my long-ago friend got a giant hard drive that could hold a whole gigabyte of data. At the time it seemed unimaginably large. Now, as my phone transfers data to my computer, I watch the gigabytes ticking off, one per second, and I think of my friend's whole hard drive being transferred once per second. From a phone.

I'm loving this wild ride of watching technology improve, and then improve some more.

It does make re-reading old science fiction difficult, though. Our everyday reality is often so much better than the futuristic ideas that the authors imagined.
#22: Norma Dee (norm0908) on Feb 5, 2019
I read "1984" a few years after it was published which was 1949. 1984 seemed like the distant future. During that period I read a lot of science fiction, but the best authors began to drift away and many of the books thinly disguised as science fiction were borderline porn. Now 1984 is the distant past. Strange.
#23: JoDeen Mozena (ozymoe) on Feb 5, 2019
Does anyone here remember an early internet trivia site called "Pyroto Mountain?" I'd be thrilled to know if any of you had been a part of that! I found it sometime around 2001 or 2002 or so, I think. I even went to a gathering of some of the members a long time ago.
#24: David Bouldin (dbouldin) on Feb 7, 2019
42...first computer was a Coleco Adam!

Kid looking at an old floppy disk, "Hey look, somebody 3D printed a save button!"
#25: David R. Felton (drfelton) on Feb 8, 2019
The first computer on which I wrote a program was an IBM 360 at the University of Missouri during the summer of '69. It took punch cards we typed up ourselves on monster keypunch machines, then handed them in to be run, so we could get our output the following day.

I watched the moon landing that summer from a lounge in the Engineering dorm.

The following fall, I spent my time writing programs on a PDP-4. I don't know where it was located, but we connected to it on a teletype machine that was linked remotely to the computer by an acoustic coupler into which we plugged our phone headset.

We typed up our programs on paper tape to feed into the teletype for immediate processing, a vast improvement over waiting 24 hours for our output. Debugging was a bit of a chore, though

Correcting a program efficiently meant finding the series of punched holes that represented the instruction to be changed, and tearing the paper tape into pieces -- one piece from the beginning of the program up to the instruction to be corrected; and one piece from just after the correction to the end of the tape. Then we'd type up the correction on a third piece of tape and feed them separately into the teletype to run the updated program.

More corrections meant more pieces of tape to organize, or retyping the entire program. It paid to get the program running correctly with as few updates as possible; the first time, if possible.

I'm old. I could be older.
#26: Mat (keiimaster) on Feb 9, 2019
I am 46 next weekend, and this sums it up I think perfectly. The other day my kids saw an old 3.5 floppy disk I had, and they asked my why I 3-D printed a save button.
#27: Alisa G (sleepsong) on Feb 10, 2019
There's a photo of me as a toddler playing with my parents' acoustic coupler.
#28: besmirched tea (Besmirched Tea) on Feb 10, 2019 [SPOILER]
these were the fancy new floppies, which I never understood since compared to the 5.25" disc, the 3.5 wasn't very floppy at all.
#29: Joe (infrapinklizzard) on Feb 10, 2019 [SPOILER]
Once you got past its tough outer shell, you'd realize what a softie it was.
#30: Aurelian Ginkgo (AurelianGinkgo) on Feb 11, 2019
That doesn't make any sense. It was hard-"wear".
#31: Joe (infrapinklizzard) on Feb 11, 2019 [SPOILER]
Yes, that's a disk: hard-wear on the outside with soft-wear in it.
#32: Aurelian Ginkgo (AurelianGinkgo) on Feb 12, 2019
Valid.
#33: Holly Lynn McDaniel Evans (hollybob7) on Aug 22, 2019
37. Grew up with Games magazine in our house, and fell in love with their Paint by Numbers at an early age.
#34: Brian Bellis (mootpoint) on Aug 22, 2019
I had a computer class in high school in 1976. We relied on the kids learning to keypunch for a deck of cards. Then Mrs. Smith would take the cards over to the district office to run them through the mainframe. With errors and revisions, it would take about a month to get a simple Fortran program to run. My first "calculator" was a slide rule. The $300 handheld four function calculators came into vogue around that time.
#35: Valerie Mates (valerie) on Jan 4, 2020
Holly -- I love Games magazine. I first ran across it in 1979, when a classmate brought it to a class called "Freshman Chorus" in high school. I liked to sing, but Games magazine was much more interesting. It didn't even have Paint-By-Numbers puzzles yet, back then. I've subscribed to it continuously since the early 1980s.

My first two kids were homebirths, but for baby #3 I got stuck in the hospital with complications. While I was in labor I spent most of the time distracting myself by solving puzzles in a copy of Games magazine, using pens with wildly bright colors of ink. I guess it worked -- kid #3 (Corbin) is eleven now.
#36: Norma Dee (norm0908) on Jan 4, 2020
My love of these puzzles also came from my addiction to both Games magazines. Speaking of hospitals, I had fallen and broke my arm. They put me in a nursing home for recovery with my arm in one of those big removable casts made with metal, a canvas like material and lots of Velcro. One of the social workers brought me an issue of World of Games thinking it might help pass the time. Unfortunately it was my right arm that was in the cast and all I could do was look at the magazine. Frustrating to say the least.
#37: Valerie Mates (valerie) on Jan 4, 2020
Norma, that sounds wildly frustrating!!!
#38: Norma Dee (norm0908) on Jan 4, 2020
It was, Valerie. When I was released I learned to operate a computer with my left hand in record time. All except for Webpbn. It took a while to get the colors in the right squares. But at least I could keep up with the comments.



#39: Susan Nagy (susannagy54) on Sep 20, 2020
I am 66. (Hard to admit, but am collecting Social Security.) Reading through the comments I see that I am not alone. I did learn some programming in college. First learned BASIC on a Sigma7 -- it looked like a giant electric typewriter. Also learned a machine language on a PDP10, and Fortran on an IBM360. At the time, the 360 was "state of the art" -- it used punch cards.
#40: Judy Baumann (JudyBee) on May 16, 2021
Old enough to think this is a doughnut and a cup of coffee!

But seriously, I operated and programmed a CDC 1604 in the early 60s at the University of Texas.
#41: Alan Lafond (Cural) on May 16, 2021 [SPOILER]
I'm 46, old enough to remember when these first came into circulation. Spent a large part of my childhood on a Commodore 64 with 5.25" floppies. The 3.5" floppies started showing up around the time I started high school. They may have been around earlier, but that's when I first started using them, as the computers we used for Computer Science class all used 3.5" floppies.

Back when I was running Windows 95, I made my own desktop theme, including mouse cursors and desktop icons (for My Computer, Recycle Bin, Documents, etc). My Busy icon and the Working In Background icon were both designed to look like 3.5" floppies, and I made them both animated. I kept using those icons all the way through to WinXP. No longer have them though, as they're all on my old computer that stopped working, and I haven't gotten compatible cables/connectors to hook up the old HD to my new PC, to be able to retrieve the files. My desktop theme I created was based on the movie Office Space. They put the program they wrote onto a 3.5" floppy. :P
#42: David Bouldin (dbouldin) on May 16, 2021
Somehow, Alan, your age didn't actually register when I went to read the comment, but as I read your description I thought "I bet we're the same age!" I turn 45 in a couple of weeks :)
#43: JoDeen Mozena (ozymoe) on May 17, 2021
I love Games also and subscribed when Playboy first started publishing it. Norma, That would have been pure torture to have been only able to look and not touch!
#44: Valerie Mates (valerie) on May 17, 2021
Alan -- I am not a hardware person, but I've been able to take a hard drive out of a dead computer and install it as a second hard drive in a working computer and get the data out that way. Maybe you could do that to get access to the data on your old hard drive?
#45: Gator (gator) on Jul 18, 2021
The first computer I owned and programmed on was a Commodore 64 with a 5 1/4" drive. I remember making the disks two-sided with a hole punch. I volunteered at a computer sales/repair shop in high school. I learned how to put together new computers, install an OS, etc. I built my first IBM style computer which had a 3 1/2" drive and 110 MB HDD before I went to college. I used it throughout college, but did upgrade the RAM and used Stacker (anyone remember that?) to increase the hard drive space.

After college, we used 3 1/2" drives and CD drives not much later at my work. Eventually the 3 1/2" drives went away, and now we do not order laptops with CD drives anymore (probably for at least 4 years now).

I'm 46.
#46: David Bouldin (dbouldin) on Jul 20, 2021
Your description sounds VERY familiar Gator ;)
#47: Judy LeTourneau (Izzy) on Jun 5, 2023
I win! I'm 81. I also was addicted to Games magazine, and loved PBN from the first penciled-in square! Great to read everyone's path into this addicting site.
#48: Alicia Snyder (prinny) on Mar 11, 2024
I am "I used this in middle school" years old.

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