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Comments on Puzzle #24717: The judges' envelope
By Kim (kjh)

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Puzzle Description:

With a final tally of scoring to date, and with great appreciation to Tom (sgusa), the results are in...

#1: Kim (kjh) on Jun 8, 2014

With One Win Each: Linda, Leann, Amy, Richard, Dan, Kathy, Belita, Alison and Travis.
With Two Wins: Kurt
With Three Wins: Besmirched Tea
And with 22...me
Tom, again, this series has been a great deal of fun and you have my sincere appreciation. Congratulations to all!!
#2: Aldege Cholette (aldege) on Jun 8, 2014
Anyone notice my name is not in the winning list. Some music lover I am.ha,ha.:)
#3: Kim (kjh) on Jun 8, 2014
Ah, Aldege, I think I shall have a special puzzle just for you. And, I should make a list of how many times you stumped me!!
#4: valerie o..travis (bigblue) on Jun 9, 2014
good one kim :)
#5: Jota (jota) on Jun 9, 2014
Couldn't solve w/o guessing, but i'll wait for the experts.
#6: Susan Duncan (medic25733) on Jun 9, 2014
Good one Kim
#7: Kurt Kowalczyk (bahabro) on Jun 9, 2014 [HINT]
it solves with summing, Jota.

color logic places the blue and red.

el the 3's, and you can get the whole zig zag line from the 3 in r 20 starting bottom middle to left edge of puzz...from here, you still have a triangle not dotted in the lower left of grid and another square-shaped space not dotted on the lower right. with me so far?

look at the black clues remaining in r's 16-20. they add up to a total of 10. now look at the black clues remaining under the blue in c'15-19. they add up to 9. therefore 9 of the remaining 10 in the lower r's must lie in your un-dotted square in the lower right in c'15-19. since you know this, you can dot the entire lower left triangle that remained un-dotted. the last unaccounted-for black must be in c20 then(under the blue, somewhere in r's 16-20--only one place it can be(r16,c20), since there's only one). you should be able to finish from here with normal logic
#8: Kurt Kowalczyk (bahabro) on Jun 9, 2014
oh yeah, good one Kim :)
#9: Jota (jota) on Jun 9, 2014
And Kurt has spoken! I didn't mark it as guessing BTW.
#10: Kurt Kowalczyk (bahabro) on Jun 9, 2014
there are a lot of better solvers out there than me...

but that's how I did it. explanation make sense to ya?
#11: Kim (kjh) on Jun 10, 2014
Sorry for the difficulty, Jota. Thank you for the explanation, Kurt...I couldn't have said it better myself. Actually, I couldn't have said it at all! which is why I admire all you "real" puzzle solvers - compared to me who just stumbles through...
#12: Tom O'Connell (sensei69) on Jun 10, 2014
I only zigged and then I zagged
#13: Jota (jota) on Jun 10, 2014
Total sense Kurt! I love difficult Kim!
#14: Kim (kjh) on Jun 10, 2014
Thank you kindly, Jota.
#15: Andrew Schultz (blurglecruncheon) on Jan 22, 2024 [HINT]
Fun! Don't think this is guessing but I want some verification of my "proof."

Reds and blues get placed with color logic. Dots in R7-9 left and C14-16 down too. R1C6 and R15C20 are black dots, which is important.

How to place the 3 in R20? Edge logic pushes it to R8 at least. But there's no room in R15-19 for the 3 and 2. So we can place it at C9/10.

Now the zigzag falls due to line logic.

Now if R16C20 is a dot so is R1720. The remaining box in R16-20 C15-20 can only be filled row-wise by 2's. So that means an even number of black dots counted that way but an odd number counted from C15-19 (1,2,2,2,2). Contradiction! R16C20 is a black dot.

Similarly if R17C20 is a black dot we get an odd/even problem.

Line logic fills in the zigzags.

Marking this not-definitely moderate lookahead though my solution feels right. Something always might be off.

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