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Comments on Puzzle #14255: Medieval instrument

By Kristen Coolman (kristen)

Comments on Puzzle #14255: Medieval instrument

By Kristen Coolman (kristen)

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quality: difficulty: solvability: moderate lookahead

**Puzzle Description:**

The crumhorn in an instrument best left in the Middle Ages. The thing sounds like a wooden kazoo, with a distinct "dwaa" sound.

**#1: Kristen Coolman (kristen) on May 31, 2011 [SPOILER]**

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crumhorn

http://www.recorderhomepage.net/crumhorn.html#Sound

The third link is the best "quality" and gives a full range of crumhorn sounds.

Kristen, having trouble setting that 5 at the bottom..sorry

the "third link?"

AFter trial and error, I was able to place the bottom row 5 from C10-14. Then the puzzle fell into place. I don't know if that is logically done or not.

solved easily and quickly ... thanks!

This one is logically solvable, but I will have to come back to post the steps. Nice puzzle.

please do Gator...

Look for the row of 1's at the bottom. :)

Bug, if you go to the link at recorderhomepage, it has 3 links to crumhorns being played.

All of this may not be necessary, but this is how I tackled it.

I used edge logic on the 5 clue in the bottom row to make R13C1-R13C8 and R13C16 dots. Some line logic.

I used edge logic on row 5 to make R5C14-R5C16 dots. I then did the same thing on row 6 to make R6C14-R6C16 dots. R15C15 can now be black.

Using edge logic on the 2 clue in column 16 R12C16 can be made a dot. I then used affirmation logic on the 2 clue in column 16 to see that no matter where the 2 clue is placed R13C15 will always be a dot. A little more line logic.

I then used edge logic with the 3 clue in column 8 to make R4C8-R7C8 dots. A little more line logic.

Two-way logic with the 3 clue in column 8 lets us see that the resulting 2 clue can only be in one of two places (R2C7-R3C7 or R8C7-R9C7). The rest of column 7 has to be dots. A little more line logic.

Edge logic in row 12 lets us dot R12C1, R12C2, R12C5, and R12C6. The rest is line logic.

Found to be logically solvable by gator.

Edge logic on the 5 on R13 give you three black squares. After line logic eliminates C11-13 and the first four rows on C14-16, look at the two 3 at R5 and R6. They cannot go between C14-16 because they cause a contradiction on R7 and R8.

Edge logic on the 2 on C16 allow you to eliminate C16R12. Now, compare C14-16 and R7-12. There's no 3 on none of these rows, so the 2 on R14, the 4 on R15 and the 2 on R16 cannot align all at the same time. The 4 MUST stand in the middle while the two 2 occupy extremes. The 1 on R11 is also decisive. Since you've previously eliminated C16R12 and C16R13, the 2 on R16 can only occuppy the superior portion, while the 1 on R11 tells us that the 2 on R14 MUST occupy R12-13.

All the rest goes with line logic.

I'm sorry for not being so clear. I hope someone else can explain you better.

Oh, too late. :)

Well, it was the middle ages and all they had were crummy musicians...

This was surprisingly tough!

Darn, I thought it would be easy, with the (I thought) obvious edge logic on the bottom row!

I actually like it, hear this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjj9n5R29TE

I like how the one guy put on an Elizabethan collar over his T-shirt. :)

How interesting. I like your puzzle, Kristen, even though it was really, really, difficult (if you rely on pure logic).

Thanks for the link, Jota. I like this one too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uKBsfker6E

I think I might've done this a bit more simply than Gator and Augustus. Like them I started with edge logic on the bottom 5. After that, line logic narrows down where the last three columns can be place. Interior edge logic places enough of the 4 that line logic can solve the rest of it.

Image isn't bad but figuring out where to start is the real fun of this puzzle.

This is a really good puzzle for edge logic. I'm relatively new, but I found that the 5 was a good target, because the 2-2 above it restricted where the 5 could be a lot.

Then there was an inner edge with the rightmost 3 column, and I was able to work on that.

I don't know if anyone here is a Kingdom of Loathing fan, but this brought up memories of Clancy's Crumhorn and Clancy's Sackbut when you played as Boris the Beefy.

I am in a group of medieval music players, and we certainly have a crumhorn.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10213867646787335&set=a.10213867612626481&type=3&theater&ifg=1

(that's not me)

Ahh, then you know well the plaintive, ducklike call of the crumhorn. :)

Yes, that's how we call it - "the duck" (proper name in Spanish is "cromorno")

nice!

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