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Comments on Puzzle #832: CBT #3: Family Matter
By Sylvain "WCPman" (qwerty)

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Comic-Book Theme #3 the Fantastics Four logo

#1: Jan Wolter (jan) on Apr 17, 2007

Another nice puzzle that's interesting to solve. This one's a bit tricky to get started, but then solves pretty easily. Nice work.
#2: Meg Tayler (rebelcat) on Jun 28, 2007
I've just started doing your CBT series, and I'm enjoying it very much! This one was quick and easy, but still interesting to solve.
#3: Sylvain "WCPman" (qwerty) on Jun 28, 2007
I'm glad you like it. I got a couple idea off other that I can add to the CBT series so you can look for them in the near futur
#4: Gypso (Gypso) on Jul 14, 2007
I'm having fun with your CBT series. Thank you :)
#5: Twillis (twillis) on Oct 27, 2007
Neat series. Like Jan, I also had trouble getting started, and then it was like the dam broke.

#6: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 8, 2007 [SPOILER]
I've been scratching my head wondering what CBT meant, Duh! Is your stuff all superheros, or do you like things like Bone by Jeff Smith too? (Thorn, hubba-hubba!, if you know what I mean)
#7: Gypso (Gypso) on Sep 8, 2007 [SPOILER]
Ya know, I probably should have paid closer attention to those comic books... The guys were in high school by then anyway. What's a mom to do?
#8: Sylvain "WCPman" (qwerty) on Sep 8, 2007 [SPOILER]
JC I did not do anything on the indepent side of the industrie yet but I definitly know Bone, Stranger in Paradise and all the great more "diffrent" series is just that I didnt do puzzle on them ...yet...
#9: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 9, 2007 [SPOILER]
FYI, Gyps, in an attempt to not look like comic book reading kids, the industry folks call them "Graphic novels" (from MST3K). See also terms like "preowned vehicles", "flavor crystals", "amazing and atypical results". [the last one was a picture of a bunch models for a diet pill]
#10: Gypso (Gypso) on Sep 9, 2007 [SPOILER]
JC, I was responding to Thorn being a hubba-hubba! Graff has an extensive collection of comics. All nicely sleeved and boxed. He and Jacob often pick up the odd comic missing in their collections as gifts to each other. I figured it to be not only entertaining but an investment. I have a childhood friend who collects jewelry as an investment because her New York mother did. To each their own joy.
I have at least 1 skein of every color embroidery thread DMC ever made up until 1998(ish)(not really that good of an investment). More importantly, I'm a gamer and house at least 4 systems with many games.
"Pre-owned vehicle" probably means someone threw up in the back seat. Graff had one of those.
"Flavor crystals" are kool aid with attitude.
"Amazing and atypical results" occur every day we wake up.
#11: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 9, 2007
Ya gotta make me promise to read the whole line of previous comments before answering. Make things so much clearer, at least on this end. Flavor crystals were some freeze dried coffee tagline. preowned is expensive used car. and the diet thing, I just cant believe they can say with a straight face.
#12: Gypso (Gypso) on Sep 9, 2007 [SPOILER]
Jacob says that Thorn was definitely a hubba-hubba. She probably still is.
#13: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 9, 2007

And a princess too, no less.
#14: Gypso (Gypso) on Sep 9, 2007 [SPOILER]
I never read Bone. I didn't know she was a princess.
#15: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 9, 2007
Oh what you are missing! But it's too hard to describe, may be borrow Jacob's? They are fun and funny.
#16: Arduinna (arduinna) on Sep 10, 2007
Is the term graphic novel really from MST3K?

Nice puzzle Sylvain. I did your "Nemisis" one after you suggested it when I created a similar puzzle. I've been wanting to do the rest of them ever since, but I'm just now getting to them.

I love superheros, but I don't read many comic books.
#17: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 10, 2007
MST3K is where I picked up the term, sorry for the confusion. It was one of their running gags.
Crow: "this was based on the comic--"
Servo: "Graphic novel"
Crow: "whatever. It was based on the GRAPHIUC NOVEL, see this guy ran a comic book store--"
Servo: "Graphic novel store."
and so on. No idea what movie they were parodying.
#18: Sylvain "WCPman" (qwerty) on Sep 10, 2007
Officially a graphic novel is a comic book story that is completed in one volume or is printed in one shot

ex:

Batman the long halloween was out in montly but is out of normal continuity.
From Hell from Alan more
300 from Frank Miller

#19: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 10, 2007
What about where the original was printed in several issues, but then was reissued in a single binding, eg, The Dark Knight returns, or even the megavolume complete bone (1900+ pages?)
#20: Sylvain "WCPman" (qwerty) on Sep 10, 2007
Bone is not really what they call graphic novel

its a comic serie when they put issue together that made a story arc in one volume its more a collection than a graphic novel those collection can be in two format

trade paper back (the usual soft cover collection)
premiere edition (the more special and pricy hard cover edition)
#21: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 10, 2007
Wow, I thought I knew my stuff, but you're really taking me to school.
#22: Sylvain "WCPman" (qwerty) on Sep 10, 2007
Fanboys ...everybody need a passion
#23: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 10, 2007
Hold it! You're jumping subjects across topic strings! it's confusing enough already!
#24: Sylvain "WCPman" (qwerty) on Sep 10, 2007
No is just that two topic went in the same direction.

For this one I was saying that i'm kinda of fanboy cause I love comic-book very much and that I know what I'm talking about in this area of thing.

For the fanboy reference in the wonder woman puzzle its more of what fanboy are all about. you konw the geek with no life that run from convention to convention and argue with each other as why hero X did this ting in issue Y and was not able to do the same thing in issue W. the comic-book guy ( in the simpsons) type. Another exemple of this is you got Star Treck fan and then you got Trekikies who konw there klygon, all the racial feature and every detail in warp technologie. That basicly the same you got comic fan ( like myself) and you got fanboy ( not myself)

hope it help clarify the situation
#25: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 10, 2007
Okay. I thought fanboy was having something to do with wearing (wonder) womans underwear. I think I saw fanboys at the star wars exhibit in chicago a few years back. One guy was pointing out every little inconsistency to the museum worker, little details like the stripes painted on the janitor in the death star model compared to the stripes on the actor in the live scene. Not for a million zoltarian credits would i have been the museum guy that day. Is this an example of a fanboy?
#26: Sylvain "WCPman" (qwerty) on Sep 10, 2007
pretty much yeah
#27: Gypso (Gypso) on Sep 10, 2007
Wait Sylvain are you saying that you're not a geek? And you were doing so well.
#28: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 10, 2007
Now, now, even true geeks have to have someone to make them feel cool.


Meeeee-oooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
#29: Gypso (Gypso) on Sep 10, 2007
So Sylvain, would you say that you're a nerd? Be very careful how you answer that my friend...
#30: Sylvain "WCPman" (qwerty) on Sep 11, 2007
No I don't think I,m a nerd in the conventional way at least. I'm pretty smart but I nearly never had to study in school back them and I was more into sport party and fun then in book. Lather I was more into girl and bear then book. It just that I'm lucky oenought to have a great memorie and to be a fast learner. But I have to admit that many of the thing I love are consider "nerdy"
#31: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 11, 2007
Very nicely conceded. ARe you a politician, by chance?
#32: Gypso (Gypso) on Sep 11, 2007
Alright then Sylvain. Since you didn't dis nerds, you're still my puzzle buddy. ^v^
#33: Sylvain "WCPman" (qwerty) on Sep 11, 2007
No politician are crook do I sound like a crook to you my friend
#34: Gypso (Gypso) on Sep 11, 2007
All elected officials are politicians. Can't help it. It's the nature of the position. Not all politicians are corrupt tho.
#35: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 11, 2007
But not all politicians are elected officials. Look at any bureaucracy, or even group of people working together. Good exercise: look up the word and its origins. Have to admit I'm a lot less rainbows and unicorns about life than Gyps, maybe not so much as Sylvain, but a lot closer.
#36: Gypso (Gypso) on Sep 11, 2007
Very true JC not all politicians are elected officials. But any elected official that doesn't cop to being a politician is either lying or has yet to realize it (quite innocently I assure you).
#37: J.C. Anderson (jc.noserdna) on Sep 12, 2007
Like prejudice. If a person tells me that they are absolutely unprejudiced, I tell them that they are either lying to me or to themselves. The awareness of the lie is hypocracy as well. And yes, I do believe it is usually innocent.
#38: Gypso (Gypso) on Sep 12, 2007
I'm getting rummy. When is a lie not hypocrisy? The most obvious way I suppose is when one is dedicated to lying. But for most of us (ah! see the pretty rainbow? :p) when is lying not being a hypocrite?
#39: m2 (mercymercy) on Sep 12, 2007
lying is not being a hypocrite when you are lying in your bed and it is the appropriate sleeping time for your schedule.

I don't think that JC meant to say you were a crook Sylvain. I think he just meant to say that you avoided stepping on any toes in your eloquent and diplomatic answer.
#40: Gypso (Gypso) on Sep 12, 2007
lol M2 and very diplomatic of you!
I second M2 on this assessment Sylvain, unless of course you're an elected official.....
#41: Sylvain "WCPman" (qwerty) on Sep 12, 2007
no I'm not I'm just able to make big sentence that truly mean nothing.... :) lol
#42: Jan Wolter (jan) on Sep 12, 2007
Power has a corrupting influence, but there still are people who are attracted to public service because they believe in serving the public. I have a friend who was elected to the post of county clerk in my county a few years ago, who is, in my opinion, on of the least crooked people I've ever met. Which is kind of reassuring, since he's now in charge of running elections in my county. He's got an interesting blog at http://potifos.com/polygon/, and a remarkable collection of dead (and living) politicians at http://politicalgraveyard.com/. Any way, often though our various governments screw up, it has to be noted that they work well darned often, and credit has to be given to the folks who make that happen.
#43: Joel Lynn (furface1) on Feb 18, 2011
It never ceases to amaze me (and others here I think) how these comments threads sometimes take off with lives of their own.

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