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Comments on Puzzle #7533: Let There Be Courage
By Teresa K (fasstar)

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  quality:   difficulty:   solvability: line logic only  

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#1: Teresa K (fasstar) on Dec 31, 2009 [SPOILER]

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#2: Gator (Gator) on Dec 31, 2009 [HINT] [SPOILER]
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#3: Teresa K (fasstar) on Dec 31, 2009 [HINT]
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#4: Teresa K (fasstar) on Dec 31, 2009 [HINT]
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#5: Gator (Gator) on Dec 31, 2009 [HINT]
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#6: Adam Nielson (monkeyboy) on Dec 31, 2009 [HINT]
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#7: Jane Doe (telly) on Dec 31, 2009 [SPOILER]
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#8: jewel crown (jewel) on Dec 31, 2009
What a beautiful ornament. It was a little tricky to solve, but lots of fun. Thanks Teresa.
#9: Teresa K (fasstar) on Jan 3, 2010
Thanks, Adam and Telly and Jewel. I gave up trying to solve it with just line logic. :-)
#10: Katydid (kmeifert) on Jan 5, 2010
A tricky solve and a beautiful puzzle. Thanks, Teresa!
#11: Jan Wolter (jan) on Jan 7, 2010 [HINT]
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#12: Gator (Gator) on Jan 7, 2010 [HINT]
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#13: Jan Wolter (jan) on Jan 7, 2010
Oops. The program uses zero-based indexes, and I forgot to translate them to one-based indexes. I've edited my previous comment to add one to each index.
#14: Gator (Gator) on Jan 8, 2010
Simply amazing. :D
#15: Jan Wolter (jan) on Jan 8, 2010 [HINT]
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#16: Adam Nielson (monkeyboy) on Jan 8, 2010
So how come the computer can mark it as line logic solvable, but then can't solve it?
#17: Gator (Gator) on Jan 8, 2010
Two different programs. Checker and helper work differently.
#18: Adam Nielson (monkeyboy) on Jan 8, 2010
I guess that makes sense. I figured they would run the same. I think helper is not that useful, since it misses a lot of things.
#19: Jan Wolter (jan) on Jan 9, 2010
The helper is a tiny little program that runs in your browser. It's goal is to help out puzzle designers who have to repeatedly solve different versions of the same puzzle over and over again. It deliberately does only the easy parts for you, while giving you an chance to examine the tricky bits.

The checker is a fairly large and complex program that runs on the web server. It's designed to be a full autonomous solver. It's used to give puzzle designers instant feedback n whether their puzzle has multiple solutions and whether it is solvable with only line and color logic. I've open sourced it so you can get it from http://webpbn.com/pbnsolve.html . I've also done a lot of analysis of it, to compare it's performance to other nonogram solvers written by other people here http://webpbn.com/survey/ . It can solve most puzzles in less than a tenth of a second. There are only two puzzles on the site that take it more than two minutes.

Though the two solvers have some points of similarity, the helper is a Ford Pinto, and the checker is a Ford GT. (OK, I'm from SE Michigan).
#20: Adam Nielson (monkeyboy) on Jan 9, 2010
Just out of curiosity, which 2 puzzles might those be?
And by the way, any thoughts on why I can't use the "L" key feature?
#21: Jan Wolter (jan) on Jan 9, 2010
I messed up there. I was only counting black & white puzzles. The two black and white puzzles that it takes more than 2 minutes to solve are #6574, a really brilliant Gator puzzle, which takes 17 minutes, and #2556, a mess with a pile of multiple solutions. There are 6 color puzzles it takes more than 2 minutes on and I don't remember what they are.

It solves 98.5% of all puzzles in under a tenth of a second. On webpbn it automatically gets cut off after one second, since I don't want the whole website bogging down because the checker is analyzing a puzzle. I believe there are currently 17 puzzles in can't solve in a second.

Nonogram puzzle solving is known to be one of a class of hard problems known as "NP-complete" problems. They have the interesting property that if anyone managed to find a reliably fast algorithm to solve any one of them, then you could use variations of the same algorithm to solve all of them, and become instantly rich and famous, because it includes a huge number of problems of great practical importance. The checker is not going to make me rich and famous.
#22: Diana W (aeris) on Apr 16, 2010
Great puzzle! I really enjoyed solving it and getting past the tricky bits. I didn't ever get stuck or frustrated, but I did use some edge logic. Really fun. :)
#23: Teresa K (fasstar) on Apr 16, 2010
Thanks, Diana. That was quite an accomplishment to finish solving with logic. I think this is the most difficult one of my own that I have solved.
#24: BlackCat (BlackCat) on Sep 18, 2021
Quite beautiful! A lovely illustration of a memorial event. Very tough to solve because it was a little tedious; but no guessing.
#25: David Bouldin (dbouldin) on Jan 4, 2023
I finally made it through with only line logic no hints!!! Teresa, I did agonize over it but only because I wanted! :)
#26: Gator (gator) on Jan 8, 2023
After David's comment, I checked the comments. Then I HAD to resolve this one. I love the line logic in the puzzle.
#27: David Bouldin (dbouldin) on Jan 11, 2023
Me too! There were a couple of dots that were SO satisfying to find! I didn't track my solve, but it was great fun!

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