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By Thomas Genuine (Genuine)

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#1: Joel Lynn (furface1) on Jul 29, 2013

If you say so. Don't know anything about this game.
#2: Thomas Genuine (Genuine) on Jul 29, 2013
It's the 3rd wellknown and oftenly played sportgame in the world (Earth planet).
IHF has got 10x more member nations than your baseball f.e.
Sorry... :)
#3: Joel Lynn (furface1) on Jul 29, 2013
Okay... I'm a bit confused with the concept of best penalty. In American sports, penalties are usually not good (or best).
#4: Thomas Genuine (Genuine) on Jul 29, 2013
Do you mean basketball? :)
#5: Kristen Vognild (Kristen) on Jul 29, 2013
No, penalties are bad in any sport.

4. Sports
a. A punishment, handicap, or loss of advantage imposed on a team or competitor for infraction of a rule.
b. An infraction of a rule; a foul.
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#7: Thomas Genuine (Genuine) on Jul 29, 2013
Yes of course. In European sports it means a free kick (throw) against the goalkeeper, or an empty goal f.e.
#8: Joel Lynn (furface1) on Jul 29, 2013
As Kristen pointed out in comment #5, in American English, the PENALTY is the bad thing someone did that then allows the opposing player or team to get a penalty (or free) shot or kick. We always use the terms together, that's why I didn't understand your description.

In American football, a penalty call causes the ball to be moved back towards the team that committed the foul. Of course, in basketball, a foul leads to a free throw.
#9: Thomas Genuine (Genuine) on Jul 30, 2013
In Europe, "free throw" is used in handball and water polo, but it isn't the same as penalty shots. Pls read the basic rules to handball or water polo. Both are olympic sports for a long-long time (as the European football what you call soccer).
#10: Norma Dee (norm0908) on Jul 30, 2013
What does it take for a defensive foul to result in a penalty shot?
ANSWER: Illegally interfering with a clear goal scoring opportunity by a defensive player, such as by grabbing the shooting arm of the offensive player from the side or from behind, will result in a penalty shot.
#11: Thomas Genuine (Genuine) on Jul 30, 2013
Handball: It's enough to put ANY part of your body or clothing inside the 6m line for a penalty. The penalty shot line at 7m, free throw line (discursive) at 9m. Extra question: What is the 3.5m point for? :))
#12: Norma Dee (norm0908) on Jul 30, 2013
For a complete set of rules, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_handball
#13: Thomas Genuine (Genuine) on Jul 30, 2013
It's a well known team sport all over the world... (except some strange cultures).
#14: Kristen Vognild (Kristen) on Jul 30, 2013
Stateside, it's mainly played at gyms.
#15: Norma Dee (norm0908) on Jul 30, 2013
From Wikipedia:
The most popular team sports in the United States are basketball, baseball/softball, soccer, football and ice hockey. All five of these team sports are played by millions of Americans, have a fully professional league, and enjoy varsity status at various Division 1 colleges.

Team handball, a common sport in European countries, is not a popular sport in the U.S. The sport is mostly played in the country on the amateur level. Handball is not a NCAA sport, but is played in the Summer Olympics. The sport's governing body is USA Team Handball
#16: Thomas Genuine (Genuine) on Jul 30, 2013
Pls understand: The world (Earth planet) is NOT equal to USA. Most of american style sports are not interesting for other countries people. While more than 200 participant countries in the FIFA World Cup (soccer), 150 countries in the IHF (not only in Europe but Asia, South America and Africa too). That's important in reason of olympic sports. It's not a question of amateur or professional movements but try to understand: The real sports are not for the show business...
#17: Norma Dee (norm0908) on Jul 30, 2013
I guess you are not very interested in some of our sports and we are not very interested in some of yours.
#18: Kristen Vognild (Kristen) on Jul 30, 2013
Indeed.
#19: JoDeen Mozena (ozymoe) on Jul 30, 2013
Where are you from, Thomas?
#20: Thomas Genuine (Genuine) on Jul 30, 2013
Norma, it's true. The differences are:
1. We (in Europe) never call our local sport events to World Championships...
2. in the rest of the world (non-USA) football is a game, what's played by kicking a spheric instrument (foot-ball) although in USA it is played by throwing an egg...
Hmm? :)
#21: Norma Dee (norm0908) on Jul 30, 2013
Do I detect a bit of jealousy? That's one of the things about living in the good old US of A. We have freedom of speech and can call things pretty much what we want. Oh, and by the way. Guess who just won the Gold Cup Final in Panama?????
#22: Thomas Genuine (Genuine) on Jul 31, 2013
Ohhh... I've got freedom of speech too. That's why I don't call myself as God or Emperor of the World...
but my real question is: why are you naming a game to football, if players mainly throwing a handholded egg??
#23: Claudia (clau_bolson) on Jul 31, 2013
Thomas, I am with you 100% in this.
Norma, when you say "Americans", you mean NORTH Americans, right? Down here, we live in America too.
#24: Kristen Vognild (Kristen) on Jul 31, 2013
"America" is usually shorthand for "United States of America." United States Citizens takes too long to say. :)
We current Americans had no hand in naming the pigskin tackle game "football," but Austrlalia has a similar game to ours, sometimes called "Australian rules football." There are plenty of Americans who love and play soccer (sometimes I call it futbol, but I pronounce it in a French manner, to differentiate it from foobaw).

Those of us who care about language *do* think it's odd to call a game football, when it requires very little use of the feet, except for running, but it's one of our Marion's traditions. For a country that's less than 300 years old, we have to make traditions where we can.
As the saying goes, in Europe they think 100 miles is a long distance. In America, they think 100 years is a long time.
#25: Kristen Vognild (Kristen) on Jul 31, 2013
Claudia, I feel the same way about ignoring the rest of the continent when referring to the United States as "America."

My iPad stopped editing properly, or I would have added that to my previous comment. Also, "Marion's" should be "nation's."
Spell Check changed it for me, and when I changed it back to "nation's," it must have felt that it knew better.
#26: Norma Dee (norm0908) on Jul 31, 2013
Claudia, I did not say the word Americans. I said "here in the United States" and "here in the good old US of A" as I am aware that America encompasses a lot more than the United States. As they say in courtroom dramas, " You assumed something not in evidence." :)
Joel Lynn did, however, mention American football.
And when people in other countries hold up signs that say "Go home Americans!" I'm sure you will agree they don't mean South Americans. So, as Kristen said it's used all over the world to indicate the United States of America. And to add to the confusion Mexico is also Estados Unidos.
Kristen, I just love our Marion's traditions.
#27: Kristen Vognild (Kristen) on Jul 31, 2013
Aren't they grand?
#28: Claudia (clau_bolson) on Jul 31, 2013
OK Norma, it was Wikipedia that said "Americans" in your post.

My father was sent to Detroit for three months by his company (Ford), in 1967. There he used to say to his fellow workers that he was American too, "I am South American and you are North American".
#29: Norma Dee (norm0908) on Jul 31, 2013
Ah ha. Didn't notice that. I lived a short distance from Arizona State University and while attending college there I met students from many parts of the world and since I was close would invite some of them over for meals or study groups, etc. I learned that here in the United States we do not give the proper spelling to many places, so I tried to refer to their places of origins in the way that they preferred.
#30: Claudia (clau_bolson) on Aug 1, 2013
Norma, I'm glad you did.
#31: Joel Lynn (furface1) on Aug 1, 2013 [SPOILER]
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#32: Thomas Genuine (Genuine) on Aug 1, 2013
LOL :)
I searched for different meanings in different languages.
Penalty (as word) means the 11 metres shot in football (soccer). In British English there's no penalty kick or penalty shot or penalty throw, using "penalty" similar in handball (7m), water polo (5m). Other meaning is in ice hockey and basketball.
Usually in other languages they use one word in different sports as penalty (kick, shot, throw), some of them use the oroginal English word, others use in translation.
For example in Hungarian there is a word (büntetés) for your penalty-penitence-punishing meaning and another form (büntető) in your p. shot meaning. It is the same (and comes from) in German. Some Slavic languages use the "penalty" word or its translation or ciryllic transcription... But none of European people think that a game can be named "football", which is played by throwing an egg ... :))
#33: Jota (jota ) on Feb 21, 2014
In football you do kick the ball with the foot!

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