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By Joe (infrapinklizzard)

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Puzzle Description:

A Latin and an Englishman ate noisily. -- See comment 1

#1: Joe (infrapinklizzard) on Apr 15, 2020

The description is a clue to the subject using cryptic crossword clue rules.

Every cryptic clue is made up of two parts; a definition, and a literal description of the answer using wordplay. They can be in either order (though not intertwined) and there is no separation between them.

Here is a page describing some of the techniques:
http://gamesmagazine-online.com/cryptic-crosswords/
or an easier-to-read PDF:
http://gamesmagazine-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/CrypticsGuide.pdf
#2: Kristen Vognild (kristen) on Apr 15, 2020 [SPOILER]
So, it's an AMPERSAND.
A + SPERM(the "Englishman" munched up and spit back out as MPERS) + AND(as well)

This is probably dead wrong, but it sounded good...
#3: Joe (infrapinklizzard) on Apr 15, 2020 [SPOILER]
The picture is an ampersand, Kristen, but that's not the word.

I have taken the liberty of (slightly) changing the clue to a much better one. Anyone who remembers the original clue will have a slight leg-up since they will be able to tell the split of the two clue parts from the change.
#4: Philip (Philip) on Apr 16, 2020 [SPOILER]
Italic?

If that's an ampersand, it looks tilted.

definition: "a Latin"
literal description: no idea
#5: Joe (infrapinklizzard) on Apr 16, 2020
That's not it, Philip. (Or should I call you Philip?) If nobody has gotten it by tomorrow, I'll give the length, which will be a giant clue.
#6: Kathy Cain (kathycain) on Apr 17, 2020 [SPOILER]
Et?

That's Latin for "and". Also it begins with E (Englishman) and it sounds (noisily) like "tea" which is a meal that the English "eat". Also the picture of an ampersand means "and", which in Latin is Et.


#7: Kathy Cain (kathycain) on Apr 17, 2020 [SPOILER]
I forgot a phrase in my explanation. "Et" begins with E, which I already explained. It ends with "T", which sounds (noisily) like "Tea".
#8: Joe (infrapinklizzard) on Apr 17, 2020 [SPOILER]
You got the answer, Kathy, but not the reason. (Which in a crossword you wouldn't even realize.)

The clue is a homophone.

A Latin and (definition - "and" in Latin)
an Englishman ate noisily (many Englishmen pronounce "ate" as "et")
e.g. https://forvo.com/word/ate/#en_uk

The ampersand in the picture is of an older form where you can actually see how it derived from the word "et".
#9: Teresa K (fasstar) on May 14, 2020
Most beautiful ampersand ever. Hardest cryptic ever. Fun!

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