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And the 1937 Ford fit right in. Sorry for the blue but it was necessary to make it solvable. I hope it doesn't detract too much of the image.

#1: Jota (jota) on Oct 15, 2016

Fantastic! The blue was the clue to solve! Thanks!

Thx Jota. The image was far better without the blue interfering though. :)

Aldege found the puzzle. Had skipped it because of size. I have floaters in my eyes and these big puzzles start moving all over the board. Sorry I couldn't work it. I will sneak a peek in a few days.

Oh man, this was so difficult for me, but great image finally.

Thx Teresa and thx for upping the rating for quality. I don't normally care but I mean come on a 1 on my car puzzle. That's just not right.lol. :)

Wow! This was a challenge, but so much more rewarding in the end. Great puzzle!

How is this not deep lookahead? This is all bullshit. This Aldege bias has got to stop.

David I'm sure your just messing around with us and having fun. I laughed my ass off when I read your comment. But by the unbelievable chance that you are serious I suggest you take a DEEP look in the mirror. You will see true bullshit and probably an idiot to boot. :)

Thanks Ki. :)

first off, i have often pointed out that "color logic" is, very often, multi-line logic...which, to me, makes it a form of "advanced logic" that should be distinguished. but that notwithstanding, here is as far as I can get with "line & color logic alone".

- there is only one set of row clues that will allow a blue close enough to be the blue 1 in C9, making C9R12 blue
- LL makes C3-6R12 black
- blue 3 in C29 can't start north of R14, now look at which rows allow blues to be that near to the right-hand side. this puts blues in C29R23-24
- now work up from there to see that the blue 1 above it can't go in C29R21, so it's a dot
- do the same thing with the blue 1 in C32 and then move down from there to completely place the blue 2 in C32R22-23
- do the same thing bottom to top in C16 and the lowest the black 5 can start is R14, making C16R10 black
- to take that a step further, the only lines that blues can live are C16R13-15,19-21...which means two blues live in one set and one in the other. either way C16R16-18 are dots.
- now working left to right in R20, spacing out to next available blue, the last blue can't start farther left than, or go further right than C29R20, so it's blue
- now work left-to-right in R22, scooting over to the next column with an available blue as you count across AND keeping in mind that a black can't appear in C29 (because "color logic" :/). the black 3 will have to go right of the blue in C32R22, making:
- C34-35R22 black, making
- C36,39R22 blue and C40R22 black and C37-38R22 dots
- the blue 2 in C36 can't go up into R21, so it goes down into C36R23

combining these moves with traditional LL gives 32 black, 10 blue and 28 dots. and that's where my "line & color logic alone" abilities end. the next move is to go EL at the top and bottom, but I'm hoping that people who got this it's "line & color logic alone" rating will help me out with a line and/or color logic step forward?

usually it's a safe bet that Al's puzzles are line/color solvable, but that's not necessarily the case. i haven't reached the point of throwing in the towel and throwing around accusations...but I am to the point where I need help from more skilled line/color logic solvers.

Well I guess I have to apologize to you David H. Not being a solver myself I assumed that when the program says solvable by logic alone that it in fact is. Thx David B for clearing this up for me. However this stuff about Aldège bias is a bit bizarre so you might want to avoid mirrors just the same David H. lol. :)

David buddy,I'm sort of proud that I may have stumped you on this one. I know you are a highly skilled solver. I'm also proud of you that your asking for help. I'm not sure what you could possibly accuse me of except for maybe being extremely handsome and one hell of a nice guy. :)

i had a hunch that the automatic checker told you that it is line&color solvable, which is why i've stuck to logic that falls into that category for so long, but i have to be honest...i worked so hard to get so few squares I began to think that maybe enough people had selected that solvability option to trigger it instead of it coming from the checker. knowing, now, that the checker is where that came from, i'll continue to push forward without flipping the advanced logic switch.

in the meantime, i'm definitely not above asking for help...with this or anything else. there are people better than me at everything i do and puzzle-solving is far from what i'm best at ;)

clarification, the accusations that i was referring to were from other comments :P

a few more dots:
- the blue on R20 has to be the last one which has a blue clue to the left, so you can dot C28R20. color logic dots C27R20.
- similarly color logic dots C27R23

al, would you do me favor just for my own sanity? would you go to the edit screen for this puzzle and hit the check button and double-check that this says line & color solvable?

Did what you asked David buddy and it does come back saying solvable by line and colour logic only. Sorry it's so difficult gang. But I'm kind of glad too.lol. Did no one offer any help David? :)

And I know what you said was due to other comments. I was just taking the opportunity to be funny. :)

Wow, that was the toughest puzzle I have tried to date. Took hours, but did solve it. I had to guess a lot, so if it can be solved logically, it is done by using some tricks I don't know about. I do have a tendency to guess, and usually that works out for me, but this time, I went down the wrong road a few times and had to retract. After doing the top of the puzzle, I moved ahead by solving where the five can go in the bottom line by trail and error. Thoroughly enjoyed every minute though. Congratulations on an excellent puzzle.

I quit. Too tedious and already had to guess 3 times.

Very good puzzle Aldege!

terrific. really hard but solvable with a few reverts.

Finally got it solved!

Just got to this one. Very hard, but got it with persistence - and a couple of (occasionally wrong) guesses. If I was more patient, it might have been doable without guessing; don't know. It was challenging, enjoyable, and an excellent image!

Very tough puzzle for me. Neat image.

solved again. difficult. needs reverts (to my opinion)

Excellent!!!!! Loved solving it!!

Very hard puzzle. Initially I got 14 of the 15 in r1, the 12 in r24, and the blue in c9, and things that followed from that. Then working on the blues got me two of the three in c29, but at that point I got stuck for quite a while. I kept trying to do something with the 2 in c36, but I could not get that to work. Finally, I figured out that it was the rightmost blue in r24 that was the key. It had to go in c35 or 36, but c36 did not work. This eliminated the topmost possibility for the blues in 36, forcing their position. After that, the puzzle was doable.

Hi Courtenay, it looks like you probably used edge logic because of the R1 and R24 hints, so you probably had more pixels solved than I have when you looked at the
"rightmost blue in R24". With line and color alone, where I'm stuck, the blue in C29R24 could still be the rightmost blue in that row...but even if it's not, I don't see how to eliminate C35R24 without lookahead. Can you elaborate on that elimination so I can see whether I can use it in my line&color-logic-only solve? Thanks!

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